sudden breakdown machine in production

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Dear All,
Recently I talked with a friend that ask about navision manufacturing. The strength of planning
that is Navision can directly use CRP for planning the production after sales order received
for job order (make to order), for make to stock or assembly to order.
The interesting question, if suddenly the machine is breakdown or jam, while doing a production
order, and exceeding the allowance for jamming/breakdown that have been set beforehand. There
are no standby machine to replace it (as lean concept proposes this method) because the orders run
are many. So the schedule will be changed and production stops/delays because of repairing the machine.
My questions are as follows:

  1. How to update the schedule for the order that has problem in Navision ?
  2. How to record the time needed to repair the machine ?
  3. Could I record the loss caused by this situation, I mean money, time and material? if yes,
    what functionality will be used to do it?
  4. If I invoice the production order, can I check if there was ever delay when doing the order ?
    if yes, by using what functionality ?

I apreciate for your answer. TIA

Rgds,
Andreas

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  1. How to update the schedule for the order that has problem in Navision ?
    Reflect this in the due date of the order and replan it. Are you using Order tracking? What are your current business procedures in this case?

  2. How to record the time needed to repair the machine ?
    What purpose are you trying to serve here? Once the machine is repaired the time taken becomes slightly irrelevant. It is not as though you can charge this on. If you want to record this you could flag this as an absence against the centre and record it this way, it depends what you want really.

  3. Could I record the loss caused by this situation, I mean money, time and material? if yes,
    what functionality will be used to do it?
    Yes - and where are you going to record this expense (debit and credit [:D])

  4. If I invoice the production order, can I check if there was ever delay when doing the order ?
    if yes, by using what functionality ?
    You would need to capture original start and end times and reasons for delay to make any real sense of this.

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Hi Steven,

What I can understand from your understand is not fully enough but I have tried and tested in database
andI will conclude that no. 1 must use replan and using order tracking, the general procedure in the
factory usually the machine is stop and repair and the remain order is stopped to be processed but the
product from the broken machine still processed in the next machine (according to routing) and
the raw material still processed in the previous machine of the broken machine. That’s what I don’t
understand, because the feed for the broken machine will be stack out. I think the due date will be
declined and for the PPIC, they need to record it, can navision cope with this problem ?

I just want to record how long the machine repaired before it will be operated again, just keep
on history of the machine with the purpose is to make a data, how many times and how long
the machine suddenly break down and create a budget to buy the new one. In output journal,
there is a stop time but I can’t see stop starting-date and ending date-time.

I think what you mean here is using capacity journal isn’t it ? I just guess.

I have understood it.

Tks again.

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Hi

Depending upon what you really want you will need modifications, with That’s what I don’t
understand, because the feed for the broken machine will be stack out. I think the due date will be
declined and for the PPIC, they need to record it, can navision cope with this problem ? Ultimately you now need to split the production - the due date of the remaining is now correct, but not the full load because of the back up of the split load. You could just carry on with the production order, but reduce the quantity and then load another and push it up to the current place, but depending upon how you issue stock and record time you have to be wary of duplications. Depending upon the processes and what you do will ultimately define the fulfillment of the need.

  1. I just want to record how long the machine repaired before it will be operated again, just keep
    on history of the machine with the purpose is to make a data, how many times and how long
    the machine suddenly break down and create a budget to buy the new one. In output journal,
    there is a stop time but I can’t see stop starting-date and ending date-time.

So where does the absence registration let you down? It records it in the capacities, the entries is the number of times and you have a start and end time for the length of time. The stop time is a record of how long the machine has stopped for, you can capture this here if you like, but this is a total time. Again it really depends upon what works for you so have a look. I mean the capacity journal records the stop time against document number and a stop code so you could record them here as wellm but this is the same as recording the stop time against the output journal with the appropriate code.

I think what you mean here is using capacity journal isn’t it ? I just guess.

Capacity journals affect capacity, you wanted to capture costs, you would need to use a general journal to push costs into the ledgers, hence my question on debits and credits.

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Dear Steven,

Tks a lot for your answer and I have understood it now. I also have discussed with my friend and his company is being consideration to navision mfg, but I can’t explain more because it is his company decision. I think the topic is closed now.

Rgds,

Andreas