Can I pass an item from outbound production to inbound packaging zone in Navision Manufacturing?

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Hi Steven and All ,

Have this case been passed through your experience , please don’t hesitate to write , advice and suggest ….

Please very sensitive case and needed an urgent help .

If I have manufacturing zone and different packaging zones in the same location .

As I have chosen one location to be divided to different Zones in which is logic and reasonable to do this after reading the warehouse management system (training material) … + directed put-away setting up

Item Raw material R1 + Item R2 = Item A f__inished__àItem A + ItemX packaging material = ITemA1

Our cycle is that Item R1 + Item R2 are passing through manufacturing …to be Item A . Here we will have pick document to R1 & R2 from inbound production to outbound production 2 … R1 & R2 will be in inbound production zone …At the level of consumption journal materials R1 & R2 will be removed from inbound production zone … At the level of output the finished production ITEM A will be shown at the outbound production zone. This is great procedure

Then Item A will enter form inbound packaging zone1 to outbound packaging zone1 to be Item A1 . Here it cannot be solved automatically for pick document /consumption/output .

OR MAYBE it will enter form inbound packaging zone2 to outbound packaging zone2 to be Item A2 . Here it cannot be solved automatically .

My Question : WHAT NOW IF I NEED TO PASS ITEM A from OUTBOUND PRODUCTION TO ANOTHER inbound packaging ZONE … It should be a door somewhere … soltution in a place …What should I do here to satisfy my requirement … I don’t think we are the only people having this case and it had to be solved in a special way … How can I pass item A from consumption to output item A1 .

If you go an look at LOCATION CARD → BIN —> you will find one production inbound and one outbound production zone

If you look here you will find one inbound production and one outbound production zone ?

even if we cannot change the zone in the pick document to tell them take from outbound production to inbound packaging zone .

Is my choice from the first right or should choose another tricky solution ?

If my solution is right should we customize in Navision to get what we need or can be solved without any customization and we missed up something (hopefully yes to be solved without any customization) ?

Have this case had been passed through your experience please don’t hesitate to write , advice and suggest ….

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Hi again ,

I am hoping to receive any comment on this case …

If you need any more clarification , or to be writtin it simpler way , don’t hesitate to let me know .

I am using Navision 4.0 .

Please don’t hesitate if you can help …

Thank you for every one who can help …

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Hi Jouhayna

Sorry I have been away and busy. I have not come across a fully integrated WMS and production system, but I am sure I have read about the one inbound production bin etc. When I get a bit of free time I will try and read and understand the post again!

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Hi Steven ,

Thank you for your concern in this case Steven…

I will be waiting for response …hopefully soon

Thank you again and again

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Hi Jouhayana,

Though I have not tried out your case in WMS, A question I want to ask is:

Instead of defining different Zones in the same Location, Can you define one Production and One Packaging Location?

In such a setup, The SKU Ordering policies can well cater to your requirements.

Regards,

DD

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Hi dbd ,

Finally I ve got at least one answer ,

I thought about it to open different locations instead of one location .And also I have tried it … but you will loose all the warehousing management system features from the receipt to putaway and from shippment to pick … then how you will move from production to packaging ? I mean in which document you will move your stuff from production to packaging ? I don’t think it’s logic to move them by transfer … then WMS in Navision doesn’t make any sense …

But I don’t understand when you told me that SKU ordering policies can later cater my requirements … how …?

To be more wisable about you suggestion … if you can give me an example about your suggestion … with handling it in SKU.

Thank you for your concern

Hoping to finalize this topic soon.

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Hi,

For Example,

For your finished Product, Keep replenishment policy on the Production Location SKU as ‘Prod. Order’ and all other Location SKU as ‘Transfer’.

Running the Planning engine will than release a requirement at the Production Location for Production. You can keep a component Location of your choice.

Still with the above options, You should be able to use default Zone and Bins defined for the Item on the Location.

Even for raw materials, You can keep the Picking Location same as the Production Location or as the stores Location.

You can also use reclassification journal instead of ttansfer orders.

Creating Reclassification Journal Lines from the Production Order component lines is a relatively easy and non critical customization.

Regards,

DD

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Hi DD,

Really thanks for your concern… I ve just read it … I will off course try your solution and reply you as soon as possible.

Best regards,

jouhayna

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Hi DD,

Thank you for your concern , … still we don’t want to do Transfers as it can be done automatically by warehousing management … I’ve tried your solution and take it in consideration but i don’t think it will work with our case.

Of course I will post my solution when we will reach it .

I am repeating my thanks DD from taking from your time and for you concern.

Hoping this case to take concern also from others .

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why you cannot change the Zone and Bin Codes in Warehouse Pick document? I tried and was able to pick item A from outbound production … perhaps I didn’t understand your problem [:$]

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Hi Jouhayna

Can I just restate your issue to ensure I have it correct.

We have Manufactured Item A that draws its raw materials from the outbound production and resides in Inbound production (does it stay there or do you move it into stock?). At some point the item is packaged, depending upon how it is packaged it becomes another item number and the number denotes the packaging zone, so itemA2 is packaging2, and ItemA5 is packaging5. I presume these items that include the packaging are further production orders?

You are then asking how to alter the bin on the associated picking document to get the stock from the correct place. I am presuming you want the system to pick this based upon the item characteristics and not have the system use the default bin from the set-up, or have the user alter it manually as suggested by Patty.

Is this a fair summary?

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Hi Steven and Patty ,

First thank you very much for your reply and concern .

YES this is a very fair summary Steven .thanks for helping me.

It will be great if I could change in the pick document at place action line as Patty says

But I couldn’t it’s not editable. How Patty are you doing this ??

On the level of pick ?I cann’t change the place line And on the level of putaway I cann’t change the take line … Maybe i have to change anything in the setting up or maybe i have something wrong in the setting up.

I hope to find out the solution soon . Here is the setting upof the warehouse due to our discusssed fields . and the bintypes and ranking for the zone . Maybe you can have more detail about my case .

Field Value
Code H
Use As In-Transit No
Require Put-away Yes
Require Pick Yes
Require Receive Yes
Require Shipment Yes
Bin Mandatory Yes
Directed Put-away and Pick Yes
Default Bin Selection
Put-away Template Code STRD
Use Put-away Worksheet No
Allow Breakbulk yes
Bin Capacity Policy Never Check Capacity
Open Shop Floor Bin Code H-PROD-0001
Inbound Production Bin Code H-PROD-0001
Outbound Production Bin Code

H-PROD-0002
Always Create Put-away Line Yes
Always Create Pick Line Yes
Receipt Bin Code H-RECE-0001
Shipment Bin Code H-SHIP-00001

Also here the bintypes and bin ranking

Code Description Bin Type Code Zone Ranking
ADJUSTMENT NOTYPE 0
CROSS-DOCK PUTPIC 0
INTERNAL Internal PUTPIC 0
LABORATORY PUTPIC 0
PACKAGING packaging area PUTPIC 5
PACKSPCL packagin2 area PUTPIC 5
PACKSTRD pakaaging3 area PUTPIC 6
PRODUCTION production area PUTPIC 5
RECEIVE receive area RECEIVE 10
SHIP ship area SHIP 200
STORAGE stoarage area PUTPIC 100

I am repeating my thank for Steven and patty .hoping to finalize this case soon . Bye .

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Hi Jouhayna,

I understood you wish to change the bin where you pick item A not the one to place it. So I changed the Take action line.

As fas as I know It’s not possible to have several Inbound Production Bins within the same location [:(]

and if you use different location you have to post transfer between locations.

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Hi Patty ,

Thank you Patty for your reply and your consideration

Your reply assures more and more my problem . Not possible to have several inbound production .

I was trying to escape from customization here … but it seems impossible … Maybe here Steven can advice us more .

Steven I need you conclusion in this case …

Do you advice me to suggest customizing or do you still have anything to solve this problem without customization …

Steven … Do you think this a missing in Navision due to production Module ? … It’s very beneifit to have several inbound production Bins .

Thank you again for Patty and Steven .

Hoping to post the final conclusion or solution very soon .

Any body think that he can help in this case , don’t hesitate to write or suggest

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Hi DD ,

Due to you suggestion … ia m having some questions to you … this your last reply sothat you can remeber it .

For your finished Product, Keep replenishment policy on the Production Location SKU as ‘Prod. Order’ and all other Location SKU as ‘Transfer’. Running the Planning engine will than release a requirement at the Production Location for Production. You can keep a component Location of your choice.Still with the above options, You should be able to use default Zone and Bins defined for the Item on the Location.Even for raw materials, You can keep the Picking Location same as the Production Location or as the stores Location.You can also use reclassification journal instead of ttansfer orders.

My 1st question : You are not using WHM at all … ?

My 2nd question : do you check on require or receive in location setting up .

My 3rd question : what did you choose in the setting up of the location .

Because i need to try it without using WHM or redirect using WMS in… if we will be satisfied … we will go through it …

thank you dd … hoping you still remeber my case and reply me …

I’ve

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Hi,

I am sure I am too late to reply but still will do it for my satisfaction:

My 1st question : You are not using WHM at all … ?

Re: You may or may not use WHM.

My 2nd question : do you check on require or receive in location setting up .

Re: You may or may not check mark that. The check mark will just create a warehouse document.

My 3rd question : what did you choose in the setting up of the location

Re:Nothing.Important set ups will be on Item SKU cards related to replenishment Policy , Ordering Policy, Components at Location and Trasnfer from Location as applicable.

Regards,

DD

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