The new name? MICROSOFT NAVISION?

Navision’s stocks where today put on the observation list on the Copenhagen stock exchange, because Microsoft and Navision A/S is close to a merger deal. For more details take a look here: http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=020430000520&query=Navision Best regards, Erik P. Ernst, webmaster

Navision could not clearly divide market between two identical systems. How is Microsoft going to divide it between three? I think we should change our poll. What system is going to die fist Great Plains, Attain or Axapta? Valentin Gvozdev Andel Jewelry Inc.

Microsoft is having difficulties selling Great Plains outside of North America while 80% of Navision’s sells mainly in the EU. In all these things it is not the current products that are affected, or even the next release. Look for feature creep between the product and then for a complete product merge in about five years (ish). I would guess Axapta looks a bit of an orphan now. Athough Navision have been trying to move Attain to a standard (lightly modified) product and Axapta to be the product that is modified. Paul Baxter

I wonder if they’ll change the product name… Microsoft + Attain = Micrain? Microsoft + Axapta = Micrapta? (HAHA!!) Microsoft + Navision = MicroVision? Navision + Microsoft = NavSoft? Anyway i think “Microsoft” sounds like some sort of advert for Viagra!! Better do some valuable work…

God help us!! I should think most Navision customers will now be very nervous about what the future has in store. As for a new name for the product - “Used to be good until MS got its mitts on”

Say what you like about Microsoft, they may want to take over the world, but the do sell good products that is why we are using them. But Microsoft taking over Navision will make it easier to sell the product. Ask you marketing department what respose they get when trying to sell navision (is usally what/who in the UK). Microsoft will not destroy the NCR network as that is what makes Navision what it is. But I may be a worried if I was working for a US NCR as it will be pitched as a European product. Microsoft may try and sell plain vanilla Navision through other channels but that should not be too bad as it gives Navision a larger userbase. Paul Baxter

An outsiders view: Microsoft sells products - they have a marketing arm like no other, this is indisputable. If Navision and a redeveloped (with greater functionality) Great Plains product went head to head in Europe then in 5 years time it is highly probable that GP would have the market share. However if Navision and GP merge and redevelop a new product over the next 2 yrs with the functionality of Navision and the looks of GP - it should be a great ERP package. The future of Axapta?? - It seems that it was never totally incorporated into Navision, so will it survive in MSGP&Navision or will it just be resold?? There are a number of both Navision and Great Plains resellers nationwide, however I believe with the marketing of Microsoft and a great new product behind it, it should result in a win / win situation for all. Problems: MS Licensing rules and MS hold tunes!

I must say I do agree with Paul Baxter. You can see Microsoft as the big bad wulff. You might even see the current Windows law suit as fair, but it doesn’t changes as Paul say that they make some damm good software packages (and some who aren’t quite as good). But Microsoft do understand the value of good marketing. Something that Navision really still has too learn! With Microsoft as their backup, the same way as we see it for the Great Plains product, then you’ll keep the purity and images of Navision, but with a much bigger brand behind. Take a look at Great Plains at http://www.greatplains.com - then see what it is. Yes they have updated their website to be more confirm with Microsofts other websites, but it’s still 100% Great Plains. I cannot see why this should be any different with Navision. It will still be 100% Navision, no matter if the name is Microsoft Navision - or whatever. My own theory about this whole thing is that Navision is so scared about what SAP are doing in the midmarket, after their acquisition of Israeli-based TopManage, that they feel force into this move. But I think it’s a good move. It will benefit both customers and resellers. And in the US, we as resellers might hope that this will stop the price-dumping tendencies from Great Plains whenever they are to loose an important deal to Navision. Best regards, Erik P. Ernst, webmaster

Hello, I think most of us have our concerns about Microsoft purchasing Navision. I thought I would add my thoughts, both good and not so good for consideration. My two greatest concerns are: What the staff of Navision, both in Denmark or abroad think and how Microsoft chooses to handle them. I have seen in a previous existence the consequences of a less than successful acquisition, where the management did not endear themselves to the staff and consequently lost a lot of them to other employers (Myself included). I hope that if Microsoft does take over Navision, that it will appreciate the importance of treading carefully. My other worry is that Navision will reject the deal and Microsoft will chose to find other, more aggressive, means of entering the European market, possibly using Great Plains as a wedge, resulting in Navision’s marginalisation as a product. I have to agree with Paul Baxter’s points regarding the differing situations of US and European solution centres. It will be interesting to see what a certain global NSC, whose main growth market is the US, will react if Paul’s assessment is correct. On the positive side, I do see much to feel optimistic about a Microsoft acquisition of Navision. Navision’s compatibility with and similarity to MS products is one of its major plus points and attractions. In my experience, customers are always seeking to push this further with Word, OutLook, Excel interfaces and integration and this can only be improved with such a merger. It would also create the opportunity to “shake out” some of the oddities and exceptions (A memo field please!) that we know Navision has as part of future releases or a re-branding exercise. It would certainly mean that Navision would become considerably better known than it is. Microsoft isn’t my favourite software company, but there are far worse alternatives and as a base of stability in the IT industry, there are few that could be better. Microsoft Navision, sounds like a much better option than no Navision, having been pushed out by SAP, MS, Sage et al due to lack of promotion. Personally I feel there is more to be optimistic about than fearful. I would like to take this point to say that the views expressed are entirely my own and do not necessary reflect those of Cambridge Online! -------------------------------- Edward Bloomfield Navision Support Consultant Cambridge Online Systems Limited www.cambridgeonline.net

Hi, Few months ago I visited Great Plains Manufacturing training. (The over all impression was not very good, buy the way). We where told that development of the new .NET based system was started and fist version will be released in 3+ years. Is Navision have started to develop .NET based solution? What are there plans? Valentin Gvozdev Andel Jewelry Inc.

New product, new name, new platform, new whatever…Unless you feel emotional about Navision, Attain or Microsoft, why would it matter? Changes would have happened anyway. The earlier, the more exciting for flexible professionals and companies. If you are able to learn and adopt, I can hardly imagine a negative impact. If not, you have to change or you’ve got to worry anyway.

Regarding Navision and .NET, check out this posting on Microsoft’s site: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/casestudies/navision/default.asp Dave Studebaker das@libertyforever.com Liberty Grove Software A Navision Services Partner

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Say what you like about Microsoft, they may want to take over the world, but the do sell good products that is why we are using them.


How do you define “good products”? Marketingwise speaking you may be right. Technically speaking: show me one! We are not using them because they are good, we are using them because the Marketing-driven users opinion (who really dont know better) forces us to! Just imagine SAP would behave like M$ does. Navision and everything related would be history. This may still happen: what`s the point for Micro$oft keeping two complete and completely different ERP products alive? Just my (private) €0.02. Thomas

I fully agree with Thomas. Most of the replies are talking about “Good Marketing”, how many of them use i.e. Word more than as the good old typewriter? Is this a good slogan: well, now MS will buy Navision, therefore this has to be a good product, isn’t it! Michael

Fellow members, My take on the possible acquisition is this: For Microsoft this seems to be a purchase of a customer and partner base in Europe. With the purchase of Great Plains, Microsoft is the dominant midmarket player in North America. Microsoft also knows when it needs help and therefore they would be looking to leverage Navision’s presence in Europe to gain knowledge and market share instantly. Unfortunately, I don’t think the possible purchase bodes well for the software itself. Great Plains had been committed to Microsoft only technology for about 10 years now and the code is pure C++. Will Microsoft then be inclined to invest in code that is not C++??? I’d be interested in your thoughts on this. Of course, the exisitng customers will not be abandoned, but I doubt much investment in the product will be taking place. Status quo until .net so to speak. I would be very worried if I was a Navision partner in North America… Thoughts?

Hey GUYS…navision has been acquired by MICROSOFT. Now, no more NAvision…its microsoft’s product. TAA

Dear TAA This is NOT THE CASE! Yet. But Microsoft has made an official offer to buy Navision. And Navision’s board is recommending to accept the offer. So it will most likely just be a matter of time. Best regards, Erik P. Ernst, webmaster

Dear TAA please name your source! There will be an official “important strategic announcement” by 5:30 pm S’pore time. So we have to wait… regards Walter